We'll take him...

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Jul 2, 2008 8:12:31 GMT -6 @theuntouchablez said:

well i dont think he does. reason being is that I picked up wolfe...not the man with the iphone first of all. but thats besides the point (not to mention there was about 3 or 4 other owners logged on at that time)...this isnt the only league that is ran by the "first come, first serve" process of picking up players. the league I run with my friends is the same way. sometimes you get lucky and pick up someone first, sometimes people forget someones out there and your the one that remembers, sometimes in the middle of a game a player will get injured and then its a race to see who can get to their computer first to pickup that players backup.

is it a fair process to give everybody a chance with waiver priorities or w/e...in theory yes. but i think having the system as first come first serve is just as fair as well, if not even more fair than the whole waiver priority process. because in that method, the person with a low waiver priority, in this case mestifo, can put in a claim for Wolfe, and us with the 9th pick in the draft can come in the next day and just take him away. if the Generals wanted a shot at wolfe, he couldve just saved his efforts because theres no way he wouldve gotten him. in this process everybody has a chance to get him, from the Generals who had the 1st pick to the Dragons with the last. it just so happens that maybe at the time the player was dropped, your working, or I'm working or w/e the situation may be.

so if this system hasnt been a problem before with the previous pick-ups, but now it is because you were away at work and didnt get your shot at Wolfe...its a bit of a one-sided argument. which btw, in a waiver priority type league...you still wouldnt have gotten him since you drafted earlier.

It is asinine to argue against the waivers system. I understand that the offseason is a whole different animal than the season, where waivers are absolutely necessary, but I don't have the slightest opportunity to check the site during work. I'm not arguing over Wolfe, necessarily, but the retarded first-come, first-serve system for recently dropped players, this offseason. That is a high-school system for amateurs who don't hold jobs, or who can waste away their entire days on the computer, lacking responsibilities. I work 7-10 hours straight w/ no breaks whatsoever, so I don't even have the opportunity to find a computer while at work, because believe me, I would go into the office for 10 minutes if I could to check out the site.

OK, so maybe there shouldn't be any big deal about players dropped during the offseason, since most of us are wise enough to keep the better talent on our rosters. My point is simply this: w/ this f-c, f-s bullshit, I am completely out of the picture for picking anyone up at any time, since most of the action takes place while I am busting my balls in 120 degrees w/ no more than one 5 minute smoke break. Even if the talent in dropped players is minimal, everyone should still have an opportunity to get them. What about those who are away on vacation?

BTW Wolfy, if you couldn't tell by now, I am refering to recently dropped players, not all FAs .

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regardless if a player is recently dropped or a current Free Agent...i dont think the waiver priority system is all that fair. in theory it sounds good because everybody has enough time to put in a claim for a recently dropped player. but does everybody truly have a fair shot at picking that guy up? no. where as in the first come first serve process, everybody has the same exact chance to pick a guy up. sure other factors may lessen ur chance to pick up a certain guy on a specific date and time, but for the most part, under the current system, everybody has a fair shot at picking a recently dropped player up. the fact that you work nights has nothing to do with it because it just so happens that in this case, Wolfe was dropped last night. but if this trade wouldve been made during this exact time yesterday, 2pm Eastern, niether one of the Wolfboys wouldve been able to grab Wolfe because I was at school for 3 hours, and TheNino was out at school or working himself. While you on the other hand probably had internet access at that time because you were working a night shift like most days. at the end of the day, if you wouldve been the one who picked up Wolfe, the current free agent pick-up process wouldnt be a problem. but now it is because a player you mightve been interested in picking up was dropped and added during your work hours before you had the chance to pounce on him.

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Jul 2, 2008 12:49:53 GMT -6 @theuntouchablez said:

regardless if a player is recently dropped or a current Free Agent...i dont think the waiver priority system is all that fair. in theory it sounds good because everybody has enough time to put in a claim for a recently dropped player. but does everybody truly have a fair shot at picking that guy up? no. where as in the first come first serve process, everybody has the same exact chance to pick a guy up. sure other factors may lessen ur chance to pick up a certain guy on a specific date and time, but for the most part, under the current system, everybody has a fair shot at picking a recently dropped player up. the fact that you work nights has nothing to do with it because it just so happens that in this case, Wolfe was dropped last night. but if this trade wouldve been made during this exact time yesterday, 2pm Eastern, niether one of the Wolfboys wouldve been able to grab Wolfe because I was at school for 3 hours, and TheNino was out at school or working himself. While you on the other hand probably had internet access at that time because you were working a night shift like most days. at the end of the day, if you wouldve been the one who picked up Wolfe, the current free agent pick-up process wouldnt be a problem. but now it is because a player you mightve been interested in picking up was dropped and added during your work hours before you had the chance to pounce on him.

Please refer to my last post again. Everyone does not have a fair chance. I vented, I'm over it.

As a commissioner for my own league, I am responsible for doing what is fair for everyone, not just myself. It's not that I do that only because of my extensive responsibility, but that is simply the person I am. I want everyone to be happy, and feel they are being treated fairly. If I had grabbed Wolfe first, I certainly would've inquired if there is a waivers process, and after getting the answer, I would've inquired why not.

BTW, offseason aside, we will have a waivers process during the season, correct?

[Neil (OC Outlaws)]

Please refer to the official league rules thread and Free Agency Waiver Priority sub-thread. I think it answers your question. The Commishes should weigh in on this issue but may not be able to completely answer the question until our teams are loaded in the ESPN site so we can see the functionality and options of the site.

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your opinion is what it is...but in my opinion, your wrong. first come first serve gives everybody an equal chance to pick up a player while waiver priority doesnt. and if you cant see that, then your just continuing to use your same excuse of "i have responsibilities without breaks." maybe if a player just so happens to be dropped at a night where your out working, then your chance of getting that player goes away, but everybody else still has a fair shot. where as in the priority manner, if you put in a claim for a player with your 5th or 6th pick in the draft...everybody between 1-4 lost their chance at that guy, and that is not fair in my opinion.

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Hey Wiz... I totally understand your point. And if this were a re-draft or even a keeper league for that matter I would agree that we should have a waiver priority list.

But with 30 man rosters... I can't imagine there will be that many dropped players that we would all scramble to scoop up. There really shouldn't be with the level of experience that we all have.

I'm fine either way to be honest.

And to respond to the Wolfboys... the reason why most people think a priority list is fair is because the same owner typically can't scoop up 2 or 3 players in a row. And with Wiz's computer access, this could be a legitimate concern since he already knows how many people are able to "browse" almost 24 hours a day.

And so in the spirit of fairness, I kind of agree that the priority list is the best way to run a league. But in our format it really shouldn't be that much of an issue, which is why I'm fine either way. We aren't playing for money here boys, so let's just have fun with it.

[Bill (Fog City Force)]

I'm in another league, which has a different way to handle FA pick ups. Everyone has $ 200 FD (Fantasy Dollars) to spend per year on FA's. When you want someone, you go the the FA Bidding on the Proboards and start a new thread with the players name, and enter $1 (or whatever you want). If someone else wants him he raises accordingly. When 24 hours goes by with no bids, the auction is immediately over and the last bidder wins the player.

Like I said, I just joined that league, so it's all new, have not had a season to play that way yet, so far it seems kind of cool. nothing pisses me off more than the door mats of the league getting the best free agents each week!!

just a thought, I'm tottaly haappy the way its running now also.....

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Jul 3, 2008 16:46:43 GMT -6 Bill (Fog City Force) said:

I'm in another league, which has a different way to handle FA pick ups.

Keep in mind, the issue ( if you wanna call it that, maybe discussion is a better word ) isn't really FA pickups... it's the recently dropped players.

Wiz's concern is that a player could be dropped and picked up by someone else within 10 minutes without him even knowing about it and not having an opportunity to even decide if he wants to go after that player.

[Peter (Swamp Dragons)]

GEEZ!! Who would have thought Garrett Wolfe would have caused all this trouble. ;D

[Bill (Fog City Force)]

I hear you Phish, same thing applies, as someone drops a player, he becomes a FA and is handled as I described above....

[Brad (Texas Hellfire)]

Jul 2, 2008 23:00:49 GMT -6 Neil (OC Outlaws) said:

Please refer to the official league rules thread and Free Agency Waiver Priority sub-thread. I think it answers your question. The Commishes should weigh in on this issue but may not be able to completely answer the question until our teams are loaded in the ESPN site so we can see the functionality and options of the site.

Sorry I am traveling and checking in once every day or so . . . according to league rules this is the only time during the league where there is a free for all, FC-FS system. Between the end of the draft (the rookie/FA draft in future years) and the beginning of the season (when we have standings to go by) . . . FC-FS will not be this long in later seasons because we will probably wait until Late July, Early August to have our draft . . . then there will be an approximate 1 month free-for-all period on roster drops, and then the waiver system kicks in after the first week.

ESPN functionality is totally at the discretion of the League Managers . . . we can add and drop people whenever we want on whichever team we want . . . I even think we can do it retroactively if we try.

Commish weighed in now

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Jul 3, 2008 23:23:38 GMT -6 Brad (Texas Hellfire) said:

Jul 2, 2008 23:00:49 GMT -6 Neil (OC Outlaws) said:

Please refer to the official league rules thread and Free Agency Waiver Priority sub-thread. I think it answers your question. The Commishes should weigh in on this issue but may not be able to completely answer the question until our teams are loaded in the ESPN site so we can see the functionality and options of the site.

Sorry I am traveling and checking in once every day or so . . . according to league rules this is the only time during the league where there is a free for all, FC-FS system. Between the end of the draft (the rookie/FA draft in future years) and the beginning of the season (when we have standings to go by) . . . FC-FS will not be this long in later seasons because we will probably wait until Late July, Early August to have our draft . . . then there will be an approximate 1 month free-for-all period on roster drops, and then the waiver system kicks in after the first week.

ESPN functionality is totally at the discretion of the League Managers . . . we can add and drop people whenever we want on whichever team we want . . . I even think we can do it retroactively if we try.

Commish weighed in now

Fair enough. Happy 4th everyone (the American everyones ).