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Post by Brad (Texas Hellfire) on Dec 3, 2008 9:29:40 GMT -6
So what I am hearing is that since who makes the playoffs is determined within each division that the current H2H, division, total points tie-breaker system works fine. But that since across divisions there are not always matchups consistently that the draft order tie-breaker should be overall record and then total points.
Additionally, most posters are for some sort of bench player determining the outcome of playoff game ties and Undertow's suggestion seems to eliminate most of the problems that people were bringing up against it.
Am I summarizing correctly? does anything else need to be added?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2008 10:09:45 GMT -6
Sounds good. I think tiebreakers w/in the division for playoff spots go H2H then division, but any other tiebreakers (like draft order) should go H2H then total points, because total points is the true record of which team is better.
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Post by johnboora on Dec 3, 2008 10:56:40 GMT -6
Sounds good. I think tiebreakers w/in the division for playoff spots go H2H then division, but any other tiebreakers (like draft order) should go H2H then total points, because total points is the true record of which team is better. I agree with one exception - playoff teams should be last in any tie breaking situation. A team like the Crush for example ends up making the playoffs because of their division record but would have the #3 draft pick because of points in the tie breaker. I don't think it's right that a team gets a super high draft pick and the opportunity to win the championship. And I don't think we need to just chalk it up to a loophole. |
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Post by Brad (Texas Hellfire) on Dec 3, 2008 12:49:47 GMT -6
So my above statement holds through for the league rules with the Caveat that as part of the tie-breaker for the draft playoff teams ALWAYS draft behind non-playoff teams when their overall records are equal?
BTW . . . these rules will be implemented for NEXT YEAR . . . this year's rules will be chalked up to first year rules hammering and learning on the job by the LM's
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Post by johnboora on Dec 3, 2008 13:47:49 GMT -6
So my above statement holds through for the league rules with the Caveat that as part of the tie-breaker for the draft playoff teams ALWAYS draft behind non-playoff teams when their overall records are equal? BTW . . . these rules will be implemented for NEXT YEAR . . . this year's rules will be chalked up to first year rules hammering and learning on the job by the LM's If we change something, this gets my vote. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2008 17:09:22 GMT -6
So what I am hearing is that since who makes the playoffs is determined within each division that the current H2H, division, total points tie-breaker system works fine. But that since across divisions there are not always matchups consistently that the draft order tie-breaker should be overall record and then total points. Additionally, most posters are for some sort of bench player determining the outcome of playoff game ties and Undertow's suggestion seems to eliminate most of the problems that people were bringing up against it. Am I summarizing correctly? does anything else need to be added? That sounds about right. Even if we don't do away with the H2H & division record. It's only my preference that total points be the first tie breaker solution. In my mind, once you get into H2H and division record stuff... your playoff spot and draft spot can be decided by what happened in one week in the middle of the season. As for the "championship round" tie breaker, I like Undertow's solution. Top 5 points from each teams bench. I think the overall teams strength should factor in, and this would take care of that perfectly. Good call Undertow! Ultimately, I'll be satisfied with whatever the majority wants. I'll just always wish for total points to be the most important factor. ;D Have I said the words "total points" enough lately?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2008 15:18:15 GMT -6
In retrospect, I rather would do away w/ division record as a tiebreaker altogether. Crush has 122 less pts than Hellfire, even H2H and overall record, and yet he gets in the playoffs, thanks only to the "Scheduling Gods." I initially thought division record should come into play since we play very division heavy in the regular season, but points are a better measure of a better team. H2H should always come first, because it is a H2H game, but points should always be the second tiebreaker.
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Post by Brad (Texas Hellfire) on Dec 4, 2008 15:48:47 GMT -6
I think I am leaning the way of the total points as well instead of division record. It will emphasize consistency throughout the year rather than getting by on a few possible good weeks. I will put up all of the summarized rules changes from the past few days into one thread for final discussion. These changes will not change the current playoff structure or the current draft order . . . those will go into effect for next year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2008 19:44:44 GMT -6
Am I allowed to say that I am glad to see the last two posts?
Not that total points is the perfect method or even most common... but I just think it's the best indicator of the strongest team. We've all seen what can happen on "Any Given Sunday"
If the WCOFF uses this method, I think it's fine by me.
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