Divisons Poll Part 2

[Gregg(Seal Fuckers)]

Apr 15, 2010 17:13:34 GMT -6 Brad (Texas Hellfire) said:

Apr 15, 2010 15:42:42 GMT -6 Gregg(Seal Fuckers) said:

so about those divisions

Agreed!!!

Bill in answer to your parity and doing it by seeding for year after year. With our current voted format we will skip one team each year from outside our division.

you can think of the divisions as East, Central and West and you would set up a rotating 2-year system based on the previous year's finish.

Year one . . . top 2 skip to the right and bottom two skip to the left . . . that is East 1 skips Central 4, East 2 skips Central 3, Cent 1 skips West 4, Cent 2 skips West 3, West 1 skips East 4, West 2 skips East 3.

Year two . . . skip the other direction . . . East 1 skips West 4 and so on as above, but in the opposite direction. You play everyone every two years no mater what. Last years winners play harder schedules than last years losers and gives everyone a chance to catch up or whatever. With a two year rotation everything is set. Sound good? Is it understandable?

this sames fair to me

[Chris (RI Irish)]

Sounds good Brad!

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Looks good to me.

[Gregg(Seal Fuckers)]

SO LM now that we have the scheduling and the leauge format down, are we doing regional divisions, or a team ranking divisons?

[Chris (RI Irish)]

I say regional,since I think they were divided evenly.

[Mike(FWF P1MPS)]

One thing I would like to throw out there guys....
when setting up the schedule can we have our division games played when there are no bye weeks..this would mean we play division game week 1-3 then 11-13. This would give all teams full strength for their division games and nobody gets slighted by not being able to start their studs in a conference game. This of course would mean we would play our out of conference game weeks 4-10.. I could be wrong on the NFLs bye weeks schedule but I am just going on memory here and after 6 Molston I may have a short memory..

[Chris (RI Irish)]

Sounds good to me.
Haven't heard from Crush or the Wildcats on this topic.

[Deleted]

If we are going to be shuffling them regularly, wouldn't it make more sense to just shuffle them now by total points?

[Deleted]

Apr 15, 2010 19:29:01 GMT -6 Mike(FWF P1MPS) said:

One thing I would like to throw out there guys....
when setting up the schedule can we have our division games played when there are no bye weeks..this would mean we play division game week 1-3 then 11-13. This would give all teams full strength for their division games and nobody gets slighted by not being able to start their studs in a conference game. This of course would mean we would play our out of conference game weeks 4-10.. I could be wrong on the NFLs bye weeks schedule but I am just going on memory here and after 6 Molston I may have a short memory..

Uuugghh......after 6 Molstons, you should be sharting all over the place. ;D

I like the division games being played during non-bye weeks.

With wildcard rules in place, we may not need to reshuffle divisions for a while, if at all. Building division rivalries may be a good thing, but not really the most important thing. If division parity is compromised in the future, reshuffling should be an option.

[Brad (Texas Hellfire)]

How about this rule then:

It will take a request by at least two teams to initiate an off-season division shuffle vote. The vote to shuffle the divisions must pass by at least 7-5 (each team gets one vote) and if both of those conditions are met then the divisions will be shuffled. We will argue over shuffling method the first time the vote makes it official. Caveat to the above is . . . the requests and vote and shuffle MUST be completed before the USFL draft begins or it will be put off to the next offseason and will be mandatory after the championship game is completed. Fair?

[Bill (Fog City Force)]

Apr 15, 2010 19:39:23 GMT -6 @phishbrigade said:

If we are going to be shuffling them regularly, wouldn't it make more sense to just shuffle them now by total points?

I think it does Phish?

I say we just completed 2 full seasons, so we should have a nice sample size to draw from. The divisions should be carved out mathematically based on the 2 seasons total points scored. Each teams points tallied, and based on total points scored each team ranked from most points to least. The team with the most points is assigned # 1, likewise the team with the least # 12 (2nd most points # 2, etc...for all other teams). Added together that makes 78 (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12 = 78), divide that by 3 (divisions) and each division should equal to 26.

IMO, it doesn't line up any more fair than that, frankly since a formula for establishing divisions by seed #'s will have been established, I'm not sure why every (2) years this process shouldn't repeat itself, it would be extremely easy to do, and would maintain the ultimate level of balance?

I think we may be taking the "Rivalry" concept a bit too far, from the sense that I get, reading all the posts that have been made on this subject, people in this league are more concerned with "Fair/Equal" distribution of talent than they are with establishing "Rivalries"?

Just my thought....

[Gregg(Seal Fuckers)]

you are arguing in the favor of statistics, one can always argue that statistics is a useless form of math that for every helpful argument you can use it for your case, i can find one to argue against it. I dont think stats really have to matter. The only douche in here is phish other then that, i assume all teams will get better for the most part the longer it goes, and the people that are in this league i don't see quitting anytime soon. So i dont see a problem with regional divisions and leaving them till someone screams foul.

IF we do it based upon the two years, then everyone is going to be screaming to reshuffle the divisions every two years.

[Chris (RI Irish)]

I think last years point total should be used. I believe it is more of a guide as to where a team stands now. Plus I don't like the new owners being penalized for the old owners mistakes

2009 points
1.Fog City-2133
2.Irish-1966
3.Pimps-1937
4.Hellfire-1872
5.Wildcats-1834
6.Undertow-1809
7.Outlaws-1734
8.Phish-1654
9.Dragons-1614
10.Crush-1589
11.Generals-1407
12.M357's-1104

[Chris (RI Irish)]

So if I am to understand Bill correctly,this is what the divisions would look like based on last years points.

Division A: 1.Fog City 6.Undertow 7.Outlaws 12.M357's
Division B: 2.Irish 5.Wildcats 8.Phish 11.Generals
Division C: 3.Pimps 4.Hellfire 9.Dragons 10.Crush

All 3 divisions equal 26. I would have no problem with this at all. I like keeping the divisions the same for awhile,so we can start rivalries.

[Gregg(Seal Fuckers)]

and what were the 2008 points?
and why are points better then records, records show consistency, total points shows all the high weeks, with all the low weeks?